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	<title>Comments on: Imperial Lounge No.2</title>
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		<title>By: Imperial Lounge No.6 at motel de moka</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-128583</link>
		<dc:creator>Imperial Lounge No.6 at motel de moka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see also: 1, 2, 3a, 4, 5. image: Stewf [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Imperial Lounge No.5 at motel de moka</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-109304</link>
		<dc:creator>Imperial Lounge No.5 at motel de moka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see also: 1, 2, 3a, 4. image: iggykaser [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Imperial Lounge No.4 at motel de moka</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-47586</link>
		<dc:creator>Imperial Lounge No.4 at motel de moka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see also: 1,2,3a image : from Lipstick panic. (click on that blog, It&#8217;s been linking to MdM like crazy. btw, I never know shopping can be so exquisitely complicated), 2, 3 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see also: 1,2,3a image : from Lipstick panic. (click on that blog, It&#8217;s been linking to MdM like crazy. btw, I never know shopping can be so exquisitely complicated), 2, 3 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Music is Art &#187; 2007 &#187; April &#187; 26</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-26646</link>
		<dc:creator>Music is Art &#187; 2007 &#187; April &#187; 26</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see also : Imperial Lounge 3a, 2, 1, Nathaniel Hawthorne image : Seite-3 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Imperial Lounge No.3 at motel de moka</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-26617</link>
		<dc:creator>Imperial Lounge No.3 at motel de moka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see also : Imperial Lounge 3b, 2, 1, Nathaniel Hawthorne image : speakingoffaith [...]</description>
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		<title>By: squashed</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-17605</link>
		<dc:creator>squashed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are lounge list. my idea is to have strickly practical background music. Instead of "recent release", impressionistic or exploration type of list.


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collative, ecological, and psychophysical. Collative being "informational aspects such as its complexity, familiarity, or redundancy. "

But what is complexity, redundancy and familiarity but a pattern recognition (ie. their definition of ecological)

something that is redundant to me may be very diverse and non repeating to you. (eg. why some people like minimalist acoustic work, because they can recognize the minute differences)

so that's cross variable there.

or maybe, some perfectly repeating pattern can evoke different sets of experiance external to the music itself. (eg. suppose I just finish hard aerobic exercise and then made to listen perfectly even 120 bpm electro noise. Similar experiment. with you listening to exactly the same sound but on relax state.)  The effect will be different. Or do it to exact same person even.

that variable isn't accounted in their model.

So their "psychological model" may sound sensible at the outset, but it's also meaningless when looked carefully.

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your idea of bringing up "new experiance/learning process" and cross over from different stimuli also are not accounted for in the paper above...etc.

heh..

basically, there is general rule of thumb "how music can arrouse" certain sensation, but it's not going to be a set in stone rules. Perception shifts, sensation from a piece of music work will also shift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are lounge list. my idea is to have strickly practical background music. Instead of &#8220;recent release&#8221;, impressionistic or exploration type of list.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>collative, ecological, and psychophysical. Collative being &#8220;informational aspects such as its complexity, familiarity, or redundancy. &#8221;</p>
<p>But what is complexity, redundancy and familiarity but a pattern recognition (ie. their definition of ecological)</p>
<p>something that is redundant to me may be very diverse and non repeating to you. (eg. why some people like minimalist acoustic work, because they can recognize the minute differences)</p>
<p>so that&#8217;s cross variable there.</p>
<p>or maybe, some perfectly repeating pattern can evoke different sets of experiance external to the music itself. (eg. suppose I just finish hard aerobic exercise and then made to listen perfectly even 120 bpm electro noise. Similar experiment. with you listening to exactly the same sound but on relax state.)  The effect will be different. Or do it to exact same person even.</p>
<p>that variable isn&#8217;t accounted in their model.</p>
<p>So their &#8220;psychological model&#8221; may sound sensible at the outset, but it&#8217;s also meaningless when looked carefully.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>your idea of bringing up &#8220;new experiance/learning process&#8221; and cross over from different stimuli also are not accounted for in the paper above&#8230;etc.</p>
<p>heh..</p>
<p>basically, there is general rule of thumb &#8220;how music can arrouse&#8221; certain sensation, but it&#8217;s not going to be a set in stone rules. Perception shifts, sensation from a piece of music work will also shift.</p>
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		<title>By: Moka</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-17577</link>
		<dc:creator>Moka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah btw listened to the playlist and it's very good - very different from the first imperial lounge playlist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah btw listened to the playlist and it&#8217;s very good - very different from the first imperial lounge playlist.</p>
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		<title>By: Moka</title>
		<link>http://www.moteldemoka.com/2007/03/29/imperial-lounge-no2/#comment-17463</link>
		<dc:creator>Moka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no squashed I think you're missing the point there. I think when he means complexity, familiarity or redundancy  it's as in the rate and selectivity of each person; as the rate of complexity or redundancy each listener will usually like on his music (for example I love Arvo Part yet any of my roomates would start cracking at the repetition of the notes at the first minute) and by familiarity I think of it as how close is the song to the sort of music the listener prefers beforehand... selective familiarity so to speak - I'd per example ... dunno  appreciate a band like Caribou or Four Tet because I was previously exposed and grew fond to a band like Can who has points in common with these two bands and maybe someone else would not find the music interesting because they simply don't like listening to instrumental songs.

Then comes the enlightnement part... let's suppose this person who doesn't like instrumental music suddenly sees a movie he likes very much and he buys the soundtrack. The instrumental tracks remind him of certain scenes and in reviving them (the ecological stimuli) he discover he likes this specific instrumental music now. So now his listening habits got a bit broader and there's more music he feels familiar with...

I don't know if I clarified anything or just added  more fog to the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no squashed I think you&#8217;re missing the point there. I think when he means complexity, familiarity or redundancy  it&#8217;s as in the rate and selectivity of each person; as the rate of complexity or redundancy each listener will usually like on his music (for example I love Arvo Part yet any of my roomates would start cracking at the repetition of the notes at the first minute) and by familiarity I think of it as how close is the song to the sort of music the listener prefers beforehand&#8230; selective familiarity so to speak - I&#8217;d per example &#8230; dunno  appreciate a band like Caribou or Four Tet because I was previously exposed and grew fond to a band like Can who has points in common with these two bands and maybe someone else would not find the music interesting because they simply don&#8217;t like listening to instrumental songs.</p>
<p>Then comes the enlightnement part&#8230; let&#8217;s suppose this person who doesn&#8217;t like instrumental music suddenly sees a movie he likes very much and he buys the soundtrack. The instrumental tracks remind him of certain scenes and in reviving them (the ecological stimuli) he discover he likes this specific instrumental music now. So now his listening habits got a bit broader and there&#8217;s more music he feels familiar with&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I clarified anything or just added  more fog to the matter.</p>
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