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		<title>By: Lil Wayne: o protótipo do artista do século XXI? &#124; Remixtures</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lil Wayne: o protótipo do artista do século XXI? &#124; Remixtures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wayne não deixa absolutamente ninguém indiferente: ele é amado por uns e detestado por outros, como ele próprio refere em &#8220;Love Me or Hate Me&#8221;, uma das cinco músicas [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wayne não deixa absolutamente ninguém indiferente: ele é amado por uns e detestado por outros, como ele próprio refere em &#8220;Love Me or Hate Me&#8221;, uma das cinco músicas [...]</p>
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		<title>By: squashed</title>
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		<dc:creator>squashed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless by R&amp;B, one refer to &quot;singing/commonly known R&amp;B song construction, I think even if most hip-hop group want to escape R&amp;B influence, they can&#039;t do it.  Probably work will sound like autochre with rhyhm,. No blues, no gospel, no popular beat pattern.  Or probably like free jazz/beat poet except with different background music.

Almost all best selling hip-hop are sampling popular R&amp;B tunes.

Guru Feat. Erykah Badu - Plenty (audio)

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Bob McFadden And Dor Brunswick 45: THE BEAT GENERATION

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The History of Hip Hop (part 1) 1979 - 1988

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless by R&#038;B, one refer to &#8220;singing/commonly known R&#038;B song construction, I think even if most hip-hop group want to escape R&#038;B influence, they can&#8217;t do it.  Probably work will sound like autochre with rhyhm,. No blues, no gospel, no popular beat pattern.  Or probably like free jazz/beat poet except with different background music.</p>
<p>Almost all best selling hip-hop are sampling popular R&#038;B tunes.</p>
<p>Guru Feat. Erykah Badu &#8211; Plenty (audio)</p>
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<p>Bob McFadden And Dor Brunswick 45: THE BEAT GENERATION</p>
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<p>The History of Hip Hop (part 1) 1979 &#8211; 1988</p>
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		<title>By: Commodus The Beatmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commodus The Beatmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lil Wayne is garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lil Wayne is garbage.</p>
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		<title>By: First Dark</title>
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		<dc:creator>First Dark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There need to be more posts about this topic around the blogosphere, not to mention more hip-hop posts PERIOD on independent/alternative music blogs. However, I must agree with those who think Lil Wayne is far more interesting than most other popular mainstream rappers these days (like those mentioned), though still a valid starting point for the topic. That said, what about the real NEW alt rappers for the new millennium, e.g. Subtitle and Cadence Weapon? I&#039;ve never been more pumped up by an emcee than when I saw Cadence Weapon live for the first time. That was the show that proved to me through and through that Hip-Hop isn&#039;t dead (just on life support). I hadn&#039;t heard of ShinSight Trio though, good stuff!

stclown ~ I&#039;m very disappointed that you brought R&amp;B into the mix so bluntly as though it isn&#039;t in almost the same exact situation as Rap/Hip-Hop. I know it&#039;s both mainstream and &#039;Rhythm &amp; Bullshit&#039; (or more technically, Neo-Soul, which is a sub-genre of R&amp;B) but you might still be able to tolerate Erykah Badu&#039;s new album. Would the Hip-Hop producers on there be considered sell-outs too? And I can&#039;t help but shake the feeling that De La Soul have had R&amp;B choruses on a couple of their albums... Perhaps you just need to specify which area of R&amp;B you&#039;re attacking though.

+ DOOM, all capitals :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There need to be more posts about this topic around the blogosphere, not to mention more hip-hop posts PERIOD on independent/alternative music blogs. However, I must agree with those who think Lil Wayne is far more interesting than most other popular mainstream rappers these days (like those mentioned), though still a valid starting point for the topic. That said, what about the real NEW alt rappers for the new millennium, e.g. Subtitle and Cadence Weapon? I&#8217;ve never been more pumped up by an emcee than when I saw Cadence Weapon live for the first time. That was the show that proved to me through and through that Hip-Hop isn&#8217;t dead (just on life support). I hadn&#8217;t heard of ShinSight Trio though, good stuff!</p>
<p>stclown ~ I&#8217;m very disappointed that you brought R&amp;B into the mix so bluntly as though it isn&#8217;t in almost the same exact situation as Rap/Hip-Hop. I know it&#8217;s both mainstream and &#8216;Rhythm &amp; Bullshit&#8217; (or more technically, Neo-Soul, which is a sub-genre of R&amp;B) but you might still be able to tolerate Erykah Badu&#8217;s new album. Would the Hip-Hop producers on there be considered sell-outs too? And I can&#8217;t help but shake the feeling that De La Soul have had R&amp;B choruses on a couple of their albums&#8230; Perhaps you just need to specify which area of R&amp;B you&#8217;re attacking though.</p>
<p>+ DOOM, all capitals :P</p>
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		<title>By: sonic_synesthesia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonic_synesthesia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice list as always but i agree with the assertion that wayne has the potential that just needs streamlining, meaning, focus, and a message ... also where&#039;s the immortal technique?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice list as always but i agree with the assertion that wayne has the potential that just needs streamlining, meaning, focus, and a message &#8230; also where&#8217;s the immortal technique?</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
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		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MF Doom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MF Doom!</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they&#039;re all stronger lyrically, they just sound like they&#039;re reading poems.  I disagree on the beats, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, they&#8217;re all stronger lyrically, they just sound like they&#8217;re reading poems.  I disagree on the beats, though.</p>
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		<title>By: stclown</title>
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		<dc:creator>stclown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback kids, and hey whats good phil. you punk. anyway, ill check out some blue scholars and atmosphere, and hey, i have a soft spot for lil wayne, i happen to think a milli is awesome. The fact of the matter is, most of his beats are the same trunk rattling garbage that I could make on my computer right now. And aside from the production problems, alot of his songs have the same lyrical content of &#039;bitches ain&#039;t shit&#039; and &#039;make money&#039; which has been done in Criminal Minded and The Chronic years ago. Wait 5 years, see where Lil Wayne&#039;s at, then we shall see. And any serious rapper who dips into R &amp; B is a sellout, as De la Soul once said- it&#039;s Rhythm and Bullshit.
And one more thing on this ramble- Russell, you obviously did not listen to Nine Double Em by Brother Ali, that song is heart-wrenching. Lil Wayne only feels like he&#039;s dying cause he does too much ecstasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback kids, and hey whats good phil. you punk. anyway, ill check out some blue scholars and atmosphere, and hey, i have a soft spot for lil wayne, i happen to think a milli is awesome. The fact of the matter is, most of his beats are the same trunk rattling garbage that I could make on my computer right now. And aside from the production problems, alot of his songs have the same lyrical content of &#8216;bitches ain&#8217;t shit&#8217; and &#8216;make money&#8217; which has been done in Criminal Minded and The Chronic years ago. Wait 5 years, see where Lil Wayne&#8217;s at, then we shall see. And any serious rapper who dips into R &amp; B is a sellout, as De la Soul once said- it&#8217;s Rhythm and Bullshit.<br />
And one more thing on this ramble- Russell, you obviously did not listen to Nine Double Em by Brother Ali, that song is heart-wrenching. Lil Wayne only feels like he&#8217;s dying cause he does too much ecstasy.</p>
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