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Pattern Fitting (variation 2)


Q: What other kinds of misconceptions about electronic music are there?

It’s enormously misunderstood by people who play conventional music or who play conventional instruments. It’s not justified. There’s just not aware. They’re threatened by it and they don’t consider it to be as valuable as what they do with their more traditional form of creating sound and music. It’s an old story. It especially relates to jazz, I imagine for rock people, it’s the same idea.

People are afraid of things they don’t understand. They don’t know how to relate. To them, it threatens their security, their existence, their career, image. Miles Davis was someone who wasn’t afraid of that. He fully embraced those possibilities and delved into it. He was criticized heavily from the jazz side. He was supposed to be part of a tradition but he didn’t consider himself part of a tradition. He considered himself a person who was just trying to experience things and evolve. Evolve is the key. People who are smart enough to do that or are willing to try will embrace these ideas as new things and encouraging things and a new world. So whoever will want to be in that new world will be open and think about it and make an effort. And the people who feel that what they do is precious and in the tradition and preserving an art form, which is all complete rubbish, they’ll not. They’ll stick to what they believe and think it’s all cold and non-human. There’s as much musicality, artistry and genius and vision in the turntablist as there is in an alto saxophone player. You just have to have your mind ready to accept that. That’s the new mind, not one who’s in the past. – Bill Laswell interview, 04/2000

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DnB vs. Jazz

01. Charles MingusMyself When I Am Real
Mingus Plays Piano: spontaneous compositions and improvisations (1963)
02. Venetian SnaresKétsarkú Mozgalom
Rossz Csillag Allat Született (Planet Mu, 2005)
03. Brian Eno/Jah WobbleSpinner
Spinner (Allsa, 1997)
04. Four Tet - The Butterfly Effect
Dialogue (Output Recordings, 1999)
05. Miles DavisOn the corner (Subterranean channel ”Bill Laswell” mix)
Panthalassa: The Remixes (1999)
06. The Third Eye FoundationFor All The Brothers And Sisters
You Guys Kill Me (Merge Records, 1998)
07. Derek BaileyConcrete (cement-mix)
Guitar, drums ‘n’ bass (Avant Japan, 1997)
08. Bela BartokNo.34 Farewell: Adagio/No.35 Ballad: Moderato
Bartók for Children (Naxos, 2005)
09. Venetian SnaresCircle Pit
Detrimentalist (Planet Mu, 2008)

note: A small side not to this blog entry: “at least some thorny, complex, difficult-to-understand pieces are beautiful and profound, and those listeners who come to know them well derive immense pleasure from them. (DJA) ”

This list is a behind envelop sketch. In one corner jazz attempts to free itself from limistation of form while still connecting to its root, in another corner DnB tendency to cram ever more dense pattern, trying to escape its dance functionality. How fast can everything go? Is it still enjoyable, or listenable even? Finally, do I even care about the sound. does it emote instead of rambling noise?

Well, since it’s a quickie sketch. I get to pick the best tracks I have in my HD. Only allowing varied rhythm, I tried to imagine what will Miles Davis would do to reign DnB rough and jagged drum sampling to paint elegant blues mood. Interesting things happens trying to keep the whole thing together before flying apart. Obviously DnB puts complex drum sampling in the foreground in place of melodic instruments. at the end I don’t even try, I just put different tracks with wide texture contrast, something DnB is good at. See? There is use for playing largo piece very well after all.

Anyway, all tracks are favorite MdM artists that everybody is familiar with, so in case the list fails to answer questions, at least it’s a parade of great recent electronic works. All hail Venetian Snares.

Enjoy the night jazzy DnB list.

see also: Variation 1
image: multiple x’s

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Category: Electronica, Experimental, Jazz

11 Responses

  1. Ryan says:

    You should check this label out, some is similar to this mix.

    http://www.myspace.com/nonclassicalmusic

  2. stclown says:

    Cool article squashed, I just saw four tet in New York on Tuesday night, very interesting art form indeed…

  3. sonic_synesthesia says:

    sq. i am loving this list.

    i would elaborate but ive found that in writing, economy is beauty so ill leave it at that.

  4. shapro says:

    this blog is fantastic

  5. squashed says:

    # stclown said, July 26, 2008 @ 12:29 pm
    Cool article squashed, I just saw four tet in New York on Tuesday night, very interesting art form indeed…”

    Is this the show? or was he performing as Four Tet too? hmm he is busy…

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2008/07/live_kieran_heb.php

    Live: Kieran Hebden & Steve Reid at the World Financial Center

    Together the two musicians are more accessible than either of their solo projects let on. Reid’s churning beats add depth to Hebden’s electronic textures. The show had the feeling of a conversation between virtuosos. Reid would begin a number with a relatively straightforward backbeat and Hebden would gradually introduce new elements – a bass line, perhaps, or intermittent acid-tinged crashes – before taking over the beat himself and morphing it into something different and new. Then Reid would reciprocate. Like a lot of free jazz, enjoying this stuff is hard work, though let me be the first to say that its worth your trouble. In the middle of the closing song the bass dropped out of a relaxed groove and Reid filled four bars with frenetic snare subdivision, leaving the careful listener feeling weightless and lightheaded, like a swift punch in the gut. Moments like this are common in Hebden/Reid pieces, though they catch me by surprise every time.

  6. carl says:

    the dynamic btw reid and hebden bridges a familiar past with a wildly exciting future.

  7. Nate says:

    Some months back you posted Derek Bailey “Re Re Re,” Bill Laswell vs Submerged “Lockdown on Bridges andTunnels,” and
    Four Tet Imitosis. That post led me back to jazz, an old musical love, and helped me see and enjoy the connection between my current love of dnb and my old love of bop and made me want to explore free jazz. I soon discovered the Kieran Hebden Steve Reid collaborations and felt like I was on my way. This post makes explicit the direction you’ve been pointing us. Great essay and playlist.

  8. Nate says:

    oh yes, and all hail venetian snares indeed.

  9. Vanilla says:

    Pleasure… it’s a pleasure this post. I love the fragment of the article I love the tracks…

  10. stclown says:

    yea man that was the show. you’re right, he wasn’t listed as Four tet and didn’t play any of that material, but kieran hebden is the man, was a very eclectic show. His sampling is something to be marveled at.

  11. squashed says:

    kieran hebden & steve reid – mom’s marmalade

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in the air, making itself felt,
a felt world. Here, there,
the stunned silence

of knowing I will not remember
what I heard;

futures that will never happen,
a fluidity we cannot achieve
except as a child
creating possibility.

This is the untranslatable song
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